From the comments that have been sent to my previous post many people feel that the Army should step in to handle this Sulu affair in Lahad Datu. I think by "Army" it is also meant the Army, Air Force and Navy.
This is not a gang of bank robbers for sure. They are armed and have said clearly that they want to hold our territory. They have also fired shots at our Policemen and caused death and injury.
I have posted a survey which you can see at the right of this page. The survey asks if we should call in the Army. Please vote quickly. If there are enough numbers we can alert the authorities about this matter. I think they read my Blog.
Lets keep the language civil. I hope there are enough readers of this Blog who have the expertise to make informed comparisons and suggestions.
We are running out of time. My view is that 200 people with guns and weapons who want to make a statement can cause some damage. We do not want to lose the lives of our people unnecessarily.
To compare with the Al Maunah heist it was the Army that handled the situation. Mainly because the Al Maunah had raided an Army camp and stolen weaponry from the Army. The Maunah was only a criminal gang yet the Army stepped in. I think that was also because of the firepower that the Maunah had with them. The Police were not equipped to fight against people with machine guns and grenade launchers.
The same logic should apply here. The Sulus also seem to be pretty well armed. If a frontal assault is required or if the Sulus charge out of the area then are our Police boys equipped to handle the situation?
What happens if the desperate Sulus do a suicidal charge out of the plantation with guns blazing? Is our Police prepared to fight them? They are running out of food and have no proper place to sleep at night. They might do a kamikaze.
Do think about this quickly.
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Leave it to the army and the VAT69 and others. Our casualty are caused by the Sulu pirates misuse the white flag in luring our boys into the trap. In the rules of engagement, this action is punishable by death. The rules allowed total anihilation of the party that mis-use the white flag regulation.
Send in the infantry Now!
An example must be made - message Malaysia will not tolerate act of terrorism and we will defend our border and country at all cost.
Tuan syed, one reason i heard why the police instead of the army is handling this is because IF the army is handling, it means we recognize the Sulu sovereignty. If its just the police, meaning we are dealing with petty, albeit well armed criminals
The Army has the fire-power to flush out the Sulu brigands. The police commandos can wait along the perimeter to mow them down.
• Palace still hopeful Kirams will soften
• Philippine Daily Inquirer
• 8:15 pm | Saturday, March 2nd, 2013
• MANILA, Philippines—All is quiet in Sabah, but tensions linger.
• Malacañang, after learning Saturday that all the 224 remaining followers of the sultan of Sulu in Lahad Datu were gearing up for a bloody confrontation with Malaysian forces, remained hopeful that Sultan Jamalul Kiram III would still soften his position.
• At press time, the Philippine Navy’s BRP Tagbanua was still in waters off Tawi-Tawi, waiting for clearance from Malaysian authorities to dock in Lahad Datu and ferry the sultan’s followers back to Sulu.
• The administration’s pointman in Malaysia—Ambassador Eduardo Malaya—is also ensconced in the capital, Kuala Lumpur
• But he confirmed that Rajah Mudah Agbimuddin Kiram was still in the Tanduao village on the outskirts of Lahad Datu.
• The Palace inadvertently confirmed that Malaysia may not have been forthright in disclosing the real situation, initially providing the government with wrong information about the exchange of fire.
• Asked about the source of the confusion, Almendras said: “The Malaysian ambassador was called by Secretary del Rosario ..the Malaysian ambassador stated those things to us.”
• The circumstances surrounding the gunfight remained shrouded in secrecy
• For instance, Almendras did not say whether the Palace was advised by the Malaysian government about their decision to assault the sultan’s followers ahead of the actual operation.
• There is the Kiram version; there is the Malaysian version,” said Almendras.
These are more time wasting statements by the Philippines. President Aquino himself had said that Jamalul Kiram was breaking Philippine Law by instigating and carrying out an armed attack against another country. Since the President himself said it, why have the Philippines not arrested or taken any action against Jamalul Kiram? They are saying one thing and doing something else.
Anon 10:11 I dont think that argument is right. Using our Army does not mean we recognise any sovereignty. The same argument would apply for using our Police. They also form part of our security forces.
my brother who is in the army said there was already warning advice against travelling to Sabah for its citizen by the US government like 3 months ago..they already knew this is going to happen..probably something bigger is brewing.Friday incident was just 'appetizer'! Yes the army needs to move in.
The Home Minister should leave Sabah immediately. He has no business to be there. The PM has authorised the Army and Police to do as they seem fit. We have enough of his indecision.
I have heard of army commando. Police commando? Never heard of it b4.
I feel this is not for the ordinary man to answer. The police and army should know better.
they are not the ordinary police that we see everyday patrolling the streets, motorbikes and traffic police. They are the VAT69 or commonly known as Polis Hutan those days... the question of capabilities does not arise.
DS Najib already give full mandate to police and "armed force". It is just matter of time to strike back...
I think some are missing the point. It is not about the recognition of the Sulu "raiders". There is a possibility that a mishandling of the incident can lead to many years of problems down the road. Many Sabahans (Malaysians) are of Sulu descent. We do not want any of the Moro insurgents here (either faction). In addition, the matter also has some federal-state dynamics written all over it. If the army takes over, this is going to be a federal matter, and it will be an international incident and some civil law framework would not apply. I believe we are trying to avoid that, so the Philippine authorities and ours can deny culpability if things go wrong.
I think there is a strong reason why the police is still in charge until now, and it seems that Wisma Putra is okay with that. The army is working with the police on the matter. Anyone with some insight on the legal laws (international, federal and state) on such matters would be helpful. Remember, Sabah is not a state like the ones in the Peninsula, they have some autonomy in border controls.
The Police are closer to civilian than the Army guys. You send the Police, they will want to talk first. I we send the military guys, they will shoot rom the word GO. The military are trained to shoot and to count bodies afterwards.
Now, I opine, humbly, SEND OUR MILITARY GUYS. Bombard the enemy area TO THE GROUND..AND..NOW!
These bastards had killed our guys in cold blood. WHY TALK!!!!! Let the bodies become part of the earth of Lahad Datu...and they get what they wished for.
So much time wasted negotiating and then they shoot our men (police personnel) under white flag. Send in the army and let them (Sulu in Lahad Datu) and Kiram know the might of our well trained army!
Send em in now and also be prepared for long term trouble makers in Sabah
800,000 filipino in sabah?
Be prepare and be on full alert from now on not just in lahad datu but whole of sabah
Don`t we hAVE army in Malaysia? Mobilise the military forces and wipe them completely as deterent for other Sulus from trying again in future.
Stop sending the policemen and even the VAT 69. The Army commandos can do the job better. Please where is our ARMY???
What !?? The Army has to read what's the popular public opinion on what to do ? Why don't we bring back Psy and hold a party to get the people to vote "YES" to kick out the invaders ? Can't the Defense Ministry read An Idiot's Guide to Fighting Off an Invasion or something or call in a ConSultan from Putrajaya ?? Perhaps we can send in the 600,000 RELA memebers to swamp the invaders ?
Act now, act fast... Now can we ask kerismudin, budak2 kita ada night vision? Ada heat vision? etc etc? If you have heat vision, kalau org letak bendera pun, kita tahu, balik semak ada orang tunggu. Apa lagi? Takkan kena ajar kot?
Even, iphone/ipad pun ada game yg boleh control quadcopter yg boleh ambik HD video. Tinjau keadaan camne. Takkan itu pun orang kena ajar. Cost less than 2k. Lebih murah dari kos flight hantar jenazah...
Wahai menteri... Bangun la... Jgn menguap lagi...
Btw, Tn Syed... any comment pasal anwar n d gang yg sengal ckp kita tak bertindak betul dan tak cukup kelengkapan sedangkan bila kita beli diaorg bising duit rakyat dibazirkan...
Tuan Syed, we should have sent in the armies long time ago. The logic is simple, the east coast of Sabah falls under Ops Pasir and who runs Ops Pasir. It is Markas Angkatan Bersama. Not your regular border regiment or even the 4th Divisyen in Kuching and certainly not Ketua polis Sabah. Then who has the best tools and trained peoples to do the job? Again it was the military. They have the long range snipers, night vision googles, battalion size commandoes, armoured vehicles and many more. Why are we then gambling with the police.
Syed 10.14. The Philippines govt is playing the fool with us. I believe they enjoy seeing the chaotic situation facing us now and is their way of testing the water to see how fast is our response.
I have read the earlier comments by Perkasa Biru on the matter. He is right you know. Send in the army and finish them off and after that no more ding dong by Aquino anymore because he knows we are not a nation for him to play around any more and the next your(Filifinos) country men come here again. We will zerorise you from the Sabah land!
What kind of message are we sending out to these lanun?
Are we afraid to take action? Are our military weak ill equip and unable to protect our sovereignty?
Are we?
Tuan Syed
We are more in danger from the Nepalese - http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323978104578332461533970412.html?mod=WSJAsia_hpp_MIDDLTopStories. Can you do a piece on whether our Health Ministry / Imigresen boys actually monitor the Nepalese workers coming here in droves looking for our minimum wage ? Drug -resistant TB is no joke.
When the nation and the sovereignty is attacked it behoves on all Malaysians and politicians from both sides to stay united instead of finding fault with each other and trying to take cheap shots against each other. Malaysia is been attacked. So let's stop te blame game, blaming UMNO or blaming Anwar.
Gila betul lah! Hantar polis untuk buat kerja askar. Padanlah inspektor dan koperal mati.
PM Najib sepatutnya jangan dengar cakap menteri dlm negeri atau that slow thinking Zahid. Send the komando tentera sekarang! Kasi habis semuanya!
Kominis dulu pun takde negara, tapi askar lawan juga termasuk VAT69
shooting in semporna now.. i told you just now 'Friday' was just teaser
Salam Tuan..i just want to share some info..at this moment semporna and tawau also being attack.
Somebody make a comment in your earlier posting on the capability of the police ground commander in Sabah who happen to be the police chief and he has no jungle warefare experiences. For that matter even most of the OCPDs in Sabah do not have the jungle warfares experiences as well. Do we expect these people to lead against a well armed foreign intruders? Send in the ARMY!!
I am dead sure the Sulu terrorists would not have received as much patience from the Phillippines Army.
Much time, resources and now lives of our forces are lost.
cannot understand why we need to so diplomatic with people who clearly break our law and bent on waging war. in fact they have declared war by invading Malaysian territory, fully armed!
sayangmalaysia
371It has come to my view that too much time or rather face has been given to the intruders, two lives lost on the wait and see tactic, our boys killed on the pretex of the intruders waving white flag signalling surrender, to use the white flag and then ambushing is indeed a war crime.
Henseforth a lesson and an example must be made out of the current situation to retard future intrusion.
I do hope our troops will take control and start doing some damage to the enemy.
Syed...I found this in Facebook...hmm
Kenapa guna polis tak tentera?
jangan jadi batu api. tq
Krisis lahad datu:
Persoalan Kenapa guna polis tak tentera?
1) jika kita guna tentera dahulu bermakna kita dalam perang dengan Sultan SULU.
2) Juga bermakna kita mengiktiraf Sultan Sulu secara lansung sebagai kerajaan yang sah yang mengistiharkan perang kepada kita.
3)Dan jika ini berlaku ianya akan tertakluk kepada Geneva Convention dan beberapa protocol antarabangsa.
Jika Polis sebagai pemerintah operasi bermakna
1) kita masih anggap mereka itu penjenayah dan penceroboh bukan combatant perang.
2) Polis kita akan menangkap dan menahan (perkatannya untuk polis ialah menahan bukan menawan - Menawan ialah perkataan Tentera ada beza di antara keduanya)
3) Untuk mengelakkan mereka menjadi Tawanan Perang. Cukup sekadar sebagai tahanan penjenayah. Maka tuduahn di Mahkamah Awam boleh di lakukan. Seperti tuduhan yang boleh kita buat di atas lanun Somalia yang kita tahan sedikit masa lalu. Mereka tidak di anggap tawanan perang.
4) Boleh di ektradisikan dengan lebih mudah ke Filipina. Kalau tindakan ketenteraan atau kita anggap perang susah nak bicara dan mana nak tempatkan mereka dan diklasifikasikan mereka ini? Maka jadilah macam kisah CIA dan Black Sitenya untuk WAR on TERROR mereka. Kita kena la buat macam Guantonamo BAy juga. Susah macam tu.
Itu sebab kita mengambil langkah Polis dahulu. Jika tentera ambil alih sudah jadi kes lain.
Jika keadaan tidak boleh di kawal lagi maka LOCAR AREA EMERGENCY (darurat setempat) boleh di isytiharkan
Dengar cerita darurat telah di istiharkan dan curfew di kuatkuasakan di sana. Ini bermakna tentera sudah ambil alih di Lahad Datu atau kawasan pencerobohan sahaja (kawasan yang lebih kecil)
Ianya seperti darurat waktu ribut banjir New Orleans dahulu- tentera USA ambil alih bukan lagi polis tempatan)
Dalam keadaan ini bermakna bukan satu negara Malaysia darurat dan bukanlah bermakna perang kerajaan Malaysia dan Sultan Sulu. Darurat hanya untuk keselamatan sahaja dan LOCAL AREA SAHAJA. Rasanya bukan seluruh Lahad Datu pun.Hanya kawsan pencerobohannya sahaja. Nampak hati-hatinya dan telitinya Kerajaan dalam hal ini? Menurut langkah satu persatu?
Nota Tambaham. Ingat kes Maunah dahulu? Mula-mula polis. Kemudian Tentera ambil alih. Dan setelah tentera ambil alih tuduhan kepada Mohd Amin (ketua Almaunah)yang membawa hukuman mati ialah tuduhan mengistiharkan perang kepada YAng Di Pertuan Agung. Beliau tidak di tuduh sebagai orang awam iaitu tuduhan Membunuh (i.e; Bunuh polis SB tu). Beliau di tuduh sebagai combatant Perang.
Persoalan sempadan bolos. Mereka masuk sikit demi sedikit dengan bot pancung dalam kawasan yang mana sempadan adalah kabur dan menjadi tradisi penduduk tempatan berulang alik. Lagi pun kawasannya luas.
Tiada ada negara dalam dunia yang tidak di tembusi sempadannya. Yang sukar sedikit ialah Israel dan Vatican. Israel sebab temboknya dan Vatican City sebab di dindingnya dan juga di kepung oleh bandar Rom. Hatta USA pun sering di cerobohi sempadannya oleh orang Mexico. Negara China yang terkenal dengan Gerat wallnya sering di cerobohi orang bangsa Mongolia Nomad atau bangsa padang steppe yang berulang-alik (serupa dengan kes Lahad datu - golongan yang tidak mempunyai sempadan).
Hatta Mekah pun pernah di cerobohi oleh bukan Islam. (tidak ada kaitan dengan kes ini sekadar contoh perbandingan bahawa secanggih mana pertahanan pun dengan izinNya bocor juga - Mekah sepatutnya pengawalnya bukan kapal selam tapi malaikat kot)
Harap sedikit sebanyak boleh memberikan pencerahan. Terimakasih
I think this is getting out of hand already. We must put off this intrusion immediately and no more negotiation. Get our army in and finish all of them so that we can free our policemen to do damage control which they are good at.
I wish the army had handle this from the beginning as this armed intruders are in for real showdown and our top politician should address this issue at the earlier stage and not now. Why on earth are we sending the policemen to do the army job? what a sad result.
Here's one explanation from a reader of the blog Bersama Mazidul. (Hope blog owner and commenter do not mind if i copy it here). Hope your readers will find it helpful too.
Persoalan Kenapa polis tak tentera?
1) jika kita guna tentera dahulu bermakna kita dalam perang dengan Sultan SULU.
2) Juga bermakna kita mengiktiraf Sultan Sulu secara lansung sebagai kerajaan yang sah yang mengistiharkan perang kepada kita.
3)Dan jika ini berlaku ianya akan tertakluk kepada Geneva Convention dan beberapa protocol antarabangsa.
Jika Polis sebagai pemerintah operasi bermakna
1) kita masih anggap mereka itu penjenayah dan penceroboh bukan combatant perang.
2) Polis kita akan menangkap dan menahan (perkatannya untuk polis ialah menahan bukan menawan - Menawan ialah perkataan Tentera ada beza di antara keduanya)
3) Untuk mengelakkan mereka menjadi Tawanan Perang. Cukup sekadar sebagai tahanan penjenayah. Maka tuduahn di Mahkamah Awam boleh di lakukan. Seperti tuduhan yang boleh kita buat di atas lanun Somalia yang kita tahan sedikit masa lalu. Mereka tidak di anggap tawanan perang.Boleh di ektradisikan dengan lebih mudah ke Filipina. Kalau tindakan ketenteraan atau kita anggap perang susah nak bicara dan mana nak tempatkan mereka dan diklasifikasikan mereka ini?
Maka jadilah macam kisah CIA dan Black Sitenya untuk WAR on TERROR mereka. Kita kena la buat macam Guantonamo BAy juga. Susah macam tu.
Itu sebab kita mengambil langkah Polis dahulu. Jika tentera ambil alih sudah jadi kes lain.
Jika keadaan tidak boleh di kawal lagi maka LOCAR AREA EMERGENCY (darurat setempat) boleh di isytiharkan
Dengar cerita darurat telah di istiharkan dan curfew di kuatkuasakan di sana. Ini bermakna tentera sudah ambil alih di Lahad Datu atau kawasan pencerobohan sahaja (kawasan yang lebih kecil)
Ianya seperti darurat waktu ribut banjir New Orleans dahulu- tentera USA ambil alih bukan lagi polis tempatan)
Dalam keadaan ini bermakna bukan satu negara Malaysia darurat dan bukanlah bermakna perang kerajaan Malaysia dan Sultan Sulu. Darurat hanya untuk keselamatan sahaja dan LOCAL AREA SAHAJA. Rasanya bukan seluruh Lahad Datu pun.Hanya kawsan pencerobohannya sahaja. Nampak hati-hatinya dan telitinya Kerajaan dalam hal ini? Menurut langkah satu persatu?
Nota Tambaham. Ingat kes Maunah dahulu? Mula-mula polis. Kemudian Tentera ambil alih. Dan setelah tentera ambil alih tuduhan kepada Mohd Amin (ketua Almaunah)yang membawa hukuman mati ialah tuduhan mengistiharkan perang kepada YAng Di Pertuan Agung. Beliau tidak di tuduh sebagai orang awam iaitu tuduhan Membunuh (i.e; Bunuh polis SB tu). Beliau di tuduh sebagai combatant Perang.
Persoalan sempadan bolos.
Mereka masuk sikit demi sedikit dengan bot pancung dalam kawasan yang mana sempadan adalah kabur dan menjadi tradisi penduduk tempatan berulang alik. Lagi pun kawasannya luas.
Tiada ada negara dalam dunia yang tidak di tembusi sempadannya. Yang sukar sedikit ialah Israel dan Vatican. Israel sebab temboknya dan Vatican City sebab di dindingnya dan juga di kepung oleh bandar Rom. Hatta USA pun sering di cerobohi sempadannya oleh orang Mexico. Negara China yang terkenal dengan Gerat wallnya sering di cerobohi orang bangsa Mongolia Nomad atau bangsa padang steppe yang berulang-alik (serupa dengan kes Lahad datu - golongan yang tidak mempunyai sempadan).
Harap sedikit sebanyak boleh memberikan pencerahan. Terimakasih.
Kita patut juga baca thread ini :
http://www.quezon.ph/2013/03/01/north-borneo-sabah-an-annotated-timeline-1640s-present/
Kesian juga tengok nasib Sultan sulu...
Tuan Syed, we are not at war. Why the rush to send in the infantry? How do you deal with the women and children of the followers if there are any? or the locals living in the vicinity? Do we accept the "collateral damage" any aggressive action will entail? What are the implications? Now that things has escalated and the PM has given the green light for the police and M'sian Armed Forces to take any necessary action to resolve the situation, it would be best to leave it to those in charge who know the situation on the ground to carry-out their plans without interference from 'back-seat drivers'.
Tuan syed we must act now. Never mind the bullsh*t the brader n his treacherous friends say. The gov must act now.
I've just come across a news that a few more policemen hv been shot dead somewhere around semporna. This means that the sulus are really ready to die and nOt afraid of our forces at all. The kamikaze ur saying is happening.
You are real mamak with no patience and art of doing things.
to deploy the police initially to deal with a situation like that of lahad datu has long been decided by the govt and any change might have to be decided in parliament . moreover the police has a very sizeable para military force which is trained and equipped up to military infantry status for precisely this role. the military will join in when the police demands their support. If the govt wills it, it may be neater and logical that the military deals with any armed groups such as this, allowing the police to disband their para military units, to concentrate on enhancing their primary police functions to deal with the increasing crimes, and removing the overlapping functions that the military particularly feel slighted. and probably a big savings to the govt to boot too.
Tn Syed - any insight into the role played by Malaysian Opposition? Not coincidental this has happened just before GE13? I vote for Army to go in...any votes on what Govt should do on Malaysian's who instigated or abetted this - is this no treason?
Its quite puzzling on how a band of armed intruders can successfully beached at Tanduo, Lahad Datu, made camp some distance inland and only to be detected later.
On why RMP PGAs is handling it now rather than the Army, to me, in my opinion, may not be quite puzzling as it is more of a security strategy.
Thirdly, what made the Kiram clans did this? This is an interesting subject and only with the combined investigation and sharing of intel by Malaysia and Philippines can answer this.
On the first puzzle - granted high sea monitoring, detection, tracking and chase are much more difficult than lad and air. Its impossible to station our naval security personnel and vessels at all time at one place without compromising another area. With the exception of geo stationary satellite surveillance, other methods such as physical presence, radar, visual and air surveillance can only monitor a section of our territorial sea and eez at a limited time frame in a day. A small and speedy boat intruding our territorial sea some 5 miles from the nearest patrol boat can never be caught up once the boat reaches some islands to hide. Scrambling an aircraft from the nearest airbase or a navy frigate may increase the chance but did we have such an asset at that particular time at the area? Is our security resources and asset enough to be deployed at all places 24 hrs for constant and vigilant monitoring. Realistically I dont think so. Even the US with their advance surveillance asset cant do that 100%. Now, how do we prevent this in future? Perhaps the govt can deploy enough land based maritime radar to cover Lahad Datu and Semporna. Radars that are capable to track small 20 footer crafts (these small boats can 'hide' themselves with waves clutters, radars cant penetrate waves). Small joint forces forward bases should be built. Higher armed forces presence can be a good deterrent. Thirdly, its high time to get an a true dedicated long range AWACS aircraft. We have been too long dependable on Beechcraft Superking Air and C130 maritime patrol.
As for the second puzzle, lets look at history way before the Sauk incident, Tuan Syed. During the communist threat, the Police and Army both were involved in ground operations to quash the communist threats, but with different tactics. VAT69 and SBs were much more inclined to arrest the CTs (communist terrorists) to get more info and intel so that much can be learned to plan for a much more effective strike later on. Am not saying the Army did nothing of that sort as they did had their share in obtaining intel. Lets not just look at the weaponry and instead look at the tactics. I would want to know the real answers to the 3rd puzzle by interrogation a live kiram terrorist leader than a dead one!
As to the third puzzle, apart from getting a live intruder to speak out during an interview, Malaysia and Philippine's intel community need to exchange resources to investigate. Malaysia had one time arrested Nur Misuari (Kiram supporter) and handed over to Philippine's authority and I think Philippines, should do the same by arresting the self-proclaimed sultan kiram in Manila and hand over to us for ordering, abetting and/or supporting the invasion of royal sulu army into Sabah. I truly believe much can be extracted from the self proclaimed sultan in knowing the truth either the seperatist group wanting more money, the opposition to President Pnoy or the opposition party from Malaysia. it is quite strange though why Philippines is not arresting those clearly supporting the invaders as it obviously against the law to have firearms illegally in Philippines, let alone waging war with another country. At the moment perhaps Pnoy does not want such to jeopardize the peace agreement with muslim seperatists in mindanao.
This is my opinion.
What do you think Tuan Syed ?
Patriot of Malaysia
Bring in two lorry loads of handcuffed members of a certain opposition party (that allegedly sent two reps to Manila to get these bunch of marauders to challenge our sovereignty) and put them on the frontline as fodder for the Sulu marauders.
Bring in two lorry loads of handcuffed members of a certain opposition party (that allegedly sent two reps to Manila to get these bunch of marauders to challenge our sovereignty) and put them on the frontline as fodder for the Sulu marauders.
Salam,
Just heard that something happened in Sempoerna. Can u confirm?
Send our army quickly and blow those Sulu's asses immediately.
The fact that they are Muslims too makes it complicated - with the psychological reluctance to fire on fellow Muslims.
The deceitful white flag is also an unexpected tactic for the Malaysian forces.
Perhaps Najib's preference for the soft approach having brokered peace deals, sent a signal to those in-charge. Menteri Amaran also sent similar signals. Defence Minister was once Anwar's man.
But illegal intrusion by armed foreigners already signalled the activation of army forces.
There are multiple foreign interests involved here not just the Sulus.
It's gonna be a good target practice for our Airforce fighter bombers or our Artillery boys to blow them up to smithereens.Then we can make a RCI of the event and hang some treasonous bastards who instigated this in the first place.
http://www.royalsulu.com/issues.html
Tuan Syed,
Check this out. Does Sabah belong to Malaysia?
Dear Bro,
The army would be better equipped to deal with the intrusion. In fact, after the current scenario, the Malaysian government should initiate the army to go in and rout out the insurgents. Let the politicians and other do diplomacy to soften the impact, but we should not tolerate such behavior by any group. Arrest all of them and put them on trial for instigation of war. The Malaysian govt should also file an official complaint and make an arrest warrant against the Sulu Sultan and his immediate family members for extradition to Malaysia to face charges. Although legally the Philippines govt can drag itself on this extradition order, but it will show that we are serious and such action will make sure that the so called Sultan Sulu and his immediate family members would be arrested if they enter Malaysia. Finally, I think the Malaysian government should relook into the position of Sulu temporary residents and illegal residents currently in Sabah and initiate repatriation to those having links with known insurgents or organisations supporting the insurgents.
Dear Bro,
Just read the news about the incident in Semporna. To early to tell anything.
First thing, sack/suspend both the Home Minister and the Sabah police chief. Too many inconsistent statements and assurances.
We are talking about our country's sovereignty. There should be compassion and patience, but not to the detriment of our country's image and residents.
The very fact that Malaysia continues to pay rent/tribute to the Sultan of Sulu for Sabah is in effect tacit recognition of his sovereignty over Sabah, which complicates matters, not whether police or army are used.
My gut feeling is that this is going to be an ongoing issue with recurrent incidents of clashes and violence which won't end soon, whatever the security forces do.
While the right of self-determination of a people is something which can be debated, outside powers could manipulate the situation to gain access to this resource-rich region, especially oil.
Tentera Malaysia dah gagal mempertahankan sempadan negara dari diceroboh. ATM dah gagal.
PDRM mengepong kawasan tapi ditipu dek bendera putih. PDRM pun dah gagal.
Menteri-menteri yg jaga ATM dan PDRM patut letak jawatan kerana GAGAL
PERIOD.
Tuan syed bro,
A big yes, our army should step in noew, in fact they should have handle this matter initially. It culd be due to some intel mishaps that the authority failed to evaluate that the sulu army had a light artillery and weaponry at their disposal. Our police foce are not trained to deal with this kind of threat but our army do. Now, let' bring on the APCs that we really proud of, bring our MBTs if we have to. Just dont waste anymore time. The sulus threats must be neutralize ASAP.
And when the dust have settled, i beleived that the home minister and IGP suld take the full responsibility of their failure to ensure the security of lahad datu, failure to ensure the safety of our police personnel. Hishammuddin and Ismail shuld step down gracefully.
the army or vat 69 ie police?
the vat 69 is good enough. they handled the communists before remember?
they are the very able troops to handle this type of situation. its what they're made for.
order to finish the sulus? NOW ! !
diplomacy is over now
Syed,
terkini...seorang lagi polis kita dibunuh manakala 3 ditawan oleh penceroboh Sulu.
Hantarlah tentera cepat sikit ambil alih...sebelum malapetaka lebih besar berlaku.
My Gosh! Only today I have time to watch TV and opened my computer and what do I hear and read. Already 200 people with guns instead of 160 minus 12 dead Sulu army! What is going on? The police is handling the position? What a joke! Where is our army?
Don`t we all know that these rebels are trained by MNFL who is fighting the Philippines army and mind you the Philippines army is trained by USA and even USA trained Filifino army is having tough time to eradicate the MNFL> What do you expect from VAT69 and Malaysian police combatants. This is the job of the army.
Perkasa Biru, bro. you are right that somebody head must roll or this incompetent government will roll.
I am screaming now: ~ WHERE IS OUR ARMY !!!
It is time for the army to step in... Bcoz the if been delay futher it will cause public unrest panic...
But one thing for sure H2O should change portfolio to Woman Affair Ministry..
H2O should change portfolio to WOMAN AFFAIR MINISTRY.. Takde tokoh mcm megat junid n ismail..
you have 100 gunmen dressed to kill and the police are tasked to handle them, what 'game plan' is this?
The Police can patrol the shores,set up road blocks, ensure the curfew is adhered to and etc and not the front line.
The army should be the boys to release their firepower.
1. Published on: Wednesday, October 05, 2011
Kota Kinabalu: There is no plan yet to relax the United States' travel advisory on the East Coast of Sabah, said the US Embassy's public affairs officer Scott M. Rauland here, Tuesday.
He said their citizens were still advised to exercise caution when traveling to Sabah's east coast where several beautiful islands including the renowned Sipadan island is located.
"We do review the security and travel advisories periodically but there is no change at this moment.
We would advise you if there is a change," he said.
2. April 2011 - The Australian Government issued a travel warning for East Sabah in January this year.
"Eastern Sabah: We strongly advise you to reconsider your need to travel to the islands, dive sites and coastal areas of Eastern Sabah because of the high threat of kidnapping by terrorists and criminals. In the past, foreigners have been kidnapped from the east coast of mainland Sabah, the islands (Sipadan, Mataking and Pandanan islands) and surrounding waters. If you do decide to travel to this region, you should exercise extreme caution. "
3. Tuesday, January 19, 2010
Remove travel advisory on Sabah, US urged
The Foreign Ministry has urged the US Ambassador to Malaysia to review the travel alert for the popular tourist destination of eastern Sabah in light of the “sound security arrangement” and assurances by Malaysian leaders.
The ministry’s deputy secretary-general I Datuk Mohd Radzi Abd Rahman, who met with US Ambassador James R. Keith on Monday, said that the travel alert could create a wrong, misleading and negative impression to the outside world on the security situation in Malaysia as a whole, in relation to terrorist threats.
These intruders are battle weary, due to their long fight with the Philippine Army. We cannot take them lightly. (That is why the Israelis soldiers are said to be the best because they are always on their toes and high-tech too).
The VAT69, many of them are young and do not have the experience of real, live or die combat with the communist insurgent like in the late 70's. I am afraid their minds & soul are not as prepared as those in the older days. They cannot be too kind either, especially when their enemy are almost of their same kins. When there is still no animosity and hatred our boys will easily fall for the white flag. Only when one of their friends have fallen, there will be hatred towards the enemy.
We need a soldier who is cruel and brave. The Iban or Senoi Praq troope should be suitable. Give them no quarters. Do not shoot to maim. Shoot to kill. Or use the air-force.
RD.
Hello Syed,
Am a long time reader of your blog, but this incident has moved me to comment today.
The only relevant question that should be on the mind of ALL Malaysians now, is how do we extend support to the families left behind by the two brave cops who gave their lives defending our sovereignty. Is there a fund set up for this purpose, that goes directly to the two widows (no PAS-type middleman kutip derma please). How do we send funds?
The spinning of this issue and the deaths of our boys for political mileage, only shows that a section of Malaysian society have forgotten their humanity and what it is to be human! Shame on them! Instead they should help the families of our vets that have made the ultimate sacrifice.
I there are restriction on using the army, why not we put the army commandos in the attire of the police and send them in.
They cheat us with the white flag. I don't think they would mind.
RD.
I support Norman Fernandez statement. This is the kind of opposition that I like.
RD.
kill them all. send back all of illegals . increase army expenditure. bought new ship/boats. no more leniency about borders (padang besar, bkt kayu hitam, golok, singapore, phipil)
and send kerismudin to lombok
let the army(ATM) handle the army of sultan Sulu.since foreign army entered our land it is army's responsiblities.it was the army handle Al Maunah n it was the army handle Ganyang Malaysia by Sukarno.ATM very well equiped n well trained to deal with Sulu's army.
i dont know what kind of crisis mgmt is this.there is a pencerobohan dg bersenjata. basically, we are at war with these insurgents. we shd shoot to kill notwitstanding their race or religion or country. apa tunggu lagi...
dok jgn politikkan, jgn politikkan. itu saja yg kita dengar. go n kill those bastards. if u dont do it soon enough its just a matter of time before iceland will come and conquer us...
batcha
Tuan Syed...
If we send the army and kill all the 200+ intruders, do you think this thing will end?
I don't think so.
Please remember, there are many thousands of them in southern Mindanao, and not to forget a few more thousands already in Sabah.
Those 200+ intruders are just "umpan" for us. If we kill them, it will attract more sympathizer among the Moro people and their supporters to join in the arms battle.
Soon, it will grows into full scale guerrilla war. Sekarang punya guerrilla war bukan perang dalam hutan sahaja tau. They can bomb bus, trains, shopping complexes, cinema etc.. etc..etc.. and it will not be only just in Sabah. It can also be in KL! Putrajaya! Penang, Kodiang! Parit Buntar! or even Jalan Doraisamy!!!.
Next thing u will know is. Ada orang mati kena bom masa tengok wayang. Kena bom masa tgk bola. Kena bom masa shopping kat KLCC. Do we really want this to happen?
Common la people. The real battle now is ...the Hearts & Minds. we want to win their hearts & minds. Bukan nak tembak2 macam koboi.
and please la... let our security people handle this. They know more then we do. And they are well trained on what to do.
Terima kasih. ALI WIRA
Tukar baju je...jgn tgu lama dah tak bole tahan...sedara aku kna kerah sana..tp bju lain..kna tgu..
From Reformasin!
Pencerobohan di #LahadDatu: mari kita dengar penjelasan dari rakyat sabah sendiri...
Kwn2, allow me a moment of indulgence to clear the foul stench of stupidity amongst the malaysians. Kes kat LD is nothing new to us sabahans, in the 90s they abruptly came to the shore at Semporna and immediately bombed the police stations, and went amuck at the town.
They are smart people, some left at the sea naik dr kwsn bakau and lived 4 6 mth b4 start to mingle with locals and married them. The tausugs in LD now didn't came all at once, instead they came in batches, with inside helping frm their family at the village. Trust me they have been there at least 2 3 mth b4 the group bcomes complete, then they decide its time to wage war. Klu tak paham rules of engagement, jgnlah menunjuk pandai ckp bukan2 kata kerajaan lemau, ada hati nak banding dgn Bersih.
Polis kene masuk dulu sbb dorg trained as negotiators, tentera is the last resort as they will not spare anyone once commanded. They need time to ensure all the locals are out of the village and then cut their food and finance sources, hoping the tausugs will surrender. That is our rules of engagement. We are not barbaric stoic like the american soldiers.
Yg pandai ckp je kt media skrg ni cuba bg arahan btukar kt sbh ke swk, meraung bwk keturunan naik turun ofis merayu xnak dok sana, tp mulut mcm haram mengutuk semua yg tlibat kt LD kata klu dorg kt sana lama dah setel. Kene suntik kt spital pun pejam mata mengucap2, tgk darah pun pitam lagi nak g perang.
Those who went in and died today knew they might not come back alive, as that was their vow when inducted to the force. So please, belajar dr sejarah, nak blajar sejarah kene bnyk membaca, sbb tu org kita ramai jd mcm ni, mulut ngan otak tak sama frekuensi, bhs biadapnya bangang abadi. Fedup with their stupidity. Thank u for ur moment.
Ali wira, u r right but who has been supplying arms to MNLF?
if they want to start an insurgency struggle, they will bring all kind of silly excuses...
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